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A reason it's become so hard to win the Triple Crown

Postby gator1946 » Sat May 18, 2013 10:01 am

Used to be that horses who were a factor in the Kentucky Derby would run in the Preakness. Now they sit out the Preakness and run rested in the Belmont. To win the Triple the Derby winner has to run them all.
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Re: A reason it's become so hard to win the Triple Crown

Postby GatorKen » Sat May 18, 2013 10:04 am

I thought it was because they kept putting them down right there on the track
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Re: A reason it's become so hard to win the Triple Crown

Postby gator1946 » Sat May 18, 2013 10:10 am

That too.
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Re: A reason it's become so hard to win the Triple Crown

Postby Gator Fever » Sat May 18, 2013 4:23 pm

gator1946 wrote:Used to be that horses who were a factor in the Kentucky Derby would run in the Preakness. Now they sit out the Preakness and run rested in the Belmont. To win the Triple the Derby winner has to run them all.


Yep since about the Smarty Jones triple crown try trainers have kept good horses out of the Preakness just to try and stop the other trainer from getting that TC glory. I hope Orb romps in the Preakness as that will be a good opportunity going against him in the Belmont to make some money.
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Re: A reason it's become so hard to win the Triple Crown

Postby oxrageous » Sat May 18, 2013 5:02 pm

gator1946 wrote:To win the Triple the Derby winner has to run them all.

This kind of insight is the reason I log on here every day. Kudos.
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Re: A reason it's become so hard to win the Triple Crown

Postby WobbleGator » Sat May 18, 2013 5:13 pm

GatorKen wrote:I thought it was because they kept putting them down right there on the track

Please do not troll sport threads you have no care for.
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Re: A reason it's become so hard to win the Triple Crown

Postby born2beagator » Sat May 18, 2013 5:46 pm

Ah. Hayburner races.....no thanks.
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Re: A reason it's become so hard to win the Triple Crown

Postby rogdochar » Sat May 18, 2013 6:40 pm

Three in a row too tiring for jockeys - legs so short.
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Re: A reason it's become so hard to win the Triple Crown

Postby whtstrp58 » Sat May 18, 2013 8:42 pm

Turnaround time on those pretty silks is tough too.
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Re: A reason it's become so hard to win the Triple Crown

Postby guardian » Sun May 19, 2013 12:08 am

Another reason is improvements in breeding, grooming, and training. Those particular sciences are more widely available now.

As for pulling horses out of the Preakness, most of those already have no hope of winning a triple, as they lost the Derby. And many of those were "speed" horses whose speed wasn't enough, by itself, to win the Derby.

In my mind, Belmont is the true test. Speed, stamina, and power are tested.

There have only been 11 triple crown winners, and 8 of them won before 1950. It hasn't become hard - it is hard.
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Re: A reason it's become so hard to win the Triple Crown

Postby rogdochar » Sun May 19, 2013 7:09 am

guardian wrote:Another reason is improvements in breeding, grooming, and training. Those particular sciences are more widely available now.

As for pulling horses out of the Preakness, most of those already have no hope of winning a triple, as they lost the Derby. And many of those were "speed" horses whose speed wasn't enough, by itself, to win the Derby.

In my mind, Belmont is the true test. Speed, stamina, and power are tested.

There have only been 11 triple crown winners, and 8 of them won before 1950. It hasn't become hard - it is hard.


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Re: A reason it's become so hard to win the Triple Crown

Postby itsgr82baflagator » Sun May 19, 2013 7:58 am

rogdochar wrote:
guardian wrote:Another reason is improvements in breeding, grooming, and training. Those particular sciences are more widely available now.

As for pulling horses out of the Preakness, most of those already have no hope of winning a triple, as they lost the Derby. And many of those were "speed" horses whose speed wasn't enough, by itself, to win the Derby.

In my mind, Belmont is the true test. Speed, stamina, and power are tested.

There have only been 11 triple crown winners, and 8 of them won before 1950. It hasn't become hard - it is hard.


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Re: A reason it's become so hard to win the Triple Crown

Postby rogdochar » Sun May 19, 2013 8:35 am

itsgr82baflagator wrote:
rogdochar wrote:
guardian wrote:Another reason is improvements in breeding, grooming, and training. Those particular sciences are more widely available now.

As for pulling horses out of the Preakness, most of those already have no hope of winning a triple, as they lost the Derby. And many of those were "speed" horses whose speed wasn't enough, by itself, to win the Derby.

In my mind, Belmont is the true test. Speed, stamina, and power are tested.

There have only been 11 triple crown winners, and 8 of them won before 1950. It hasn't become hard - it is hard.


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Re: A reason it's become so hard to win the Triple Crown

Postby Gator Fever » Sun May 19, 2013 10:38 am

guardian wrote:Another reason is improvements in breeding, grooming, and training. Those particular sciences are more widely available now.

As for pulling horses out of the Preakness, most of those already have no hope of winning a triple, as they lost the Derby. And many of those were "speed" horses whose speed wasn't enough, by itself, to win the Derby.

In my mind, Belmont is the true test. Speed, stamina, and power are tested.

There have only been 11 triple crown winners, and 8 of them won before 1950. It hasn't become hard - it is hard.



Breeding seems to have hit a standstill in horses as they are about the same speed/stamina wise as the were a hundred years ago.

I think the Derby is bad some years also as this year you probably had horses better than Orb taken out by Palice Malice running that crazy first half mile and then you have that Curlin year where with a decent trip he probably wins for sure but that happens in a 20 horse field.

What is strange about the Belmont is how most winners are near the front at the halfway mark despite the distance. Some say that is due to them not having enough for a real stretch kick usually after a 1 1/4 mile.
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Re: A reason it's become so hard to win the Triple Crown

Postby Gator Fever » Sun May 19, 2013 10:39 am

Gator Fever wrote:
guardian wrote:Another reason is improvements in breeding, grooming, and training. Those particular sciences are more widely available now.

As for pulling horses out of the Preakness, most of those already have no hope of winning a triple, as they lost the Derby. And many of those were "speed" horses whose speed wasn't enough, by itself, to win the Derby.

In my mind, Belmont is the true test. Speed, stamina, and power are tested.

There have only been 11 triple crown winners, and 8 of them won before 1950. It hasn't become hard - it is hard.



Breeding seems to have hit a standstill in horses as they are about the same speed/stamina wise as they were a hundred years ago.

I think the Derby is bad some years also as this year you probably had horses better than Orb taken out by Palice Malice running that crazy first half mile and then you have that Curlin year where with a decent trip he probably wins for sure but that happens in a 20 horse field.

What is strange about the Belmont is how most winners are near the front at the halfway mark despite the distance. Some say that is due to them not having enough for a real stretch kick usually after a 1 1/4 mile.
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Re: A reason it's become so hard to win the Triple Crown

Postby guardian » Sun May 19, 2013 12:46 pm

Gator Fever wrote:
guardian wrote:Another reason is improvements in breeding, grooming, and training. Those particular sciences are more widely available now.

As for pulling horses out of the Preakness, most of those already have no hope of winning a triple, as they lost the Derby. And many of those were "speed" horses whose speed wasn't enough, by itself, to win the Derby.

In my mind, Belmont is the true test. Speed, stamina, and power are tested.

There have only been 11 triple crown winners, and 8 of them won before 1950. It hasn't become hard - it is hard.



Breeding seems to have hit a standstill in horses as they are about the same speed/stamina wise as the were a hundred years ago.

I think the Derby is bad some years also as this year you probably had horses better than Orb taken out by Palice Malice running that crazy first half mile and then you have that Curlin year where with a decent trip he probably wins for sure but that happens in a 20 horse field.

What is strange about the Belmont is how most winners are near the front at the halfway mark despite the distance. Some say that is due to them not having enough for a real stretch kick usually after a 1 1/4 mile.


Perhaps, but my point was that those genes are more widely available now, so more horses are so blessed. What we are seeing is a regression to the mean

But try telling Secretariat that.
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