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Muschamp building hybrid of Bama, Boise State, and Stanford

Postby Slevin » Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:48 pm

Gotta give credit to Smashingmilfs over at gatorbait for finding the article.

This is a great read on Muschamp building a hybrid powerhouse and knowing what coaching trees to pluck young, talented, and smart assistants from. We are in good hands.

http://www.alligatorarmy.com/2013/4/17/ ... oise-state
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Re: Muschamp building hybrid of Bama, Boise State, and Stanford

Postby lagator » Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:50 pm

I'd give him credit just for the username.
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Re: Muschamp building hybrid of Bama, Boise State, and Stanford

Postby Slevin » Thu Apr 18, 2013 4:56 pm

lagator wrote:I'd give him credit just for the username.


:lol: it is a pretty smashing name isn't it
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Re: Muschamp building hybrid of Bama, Boise State, and Stanford

Postby unofficialgator » Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:20 pm

lovely article
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Re: Muschamp building hybrid of Bama, Boise State, and Stanford

Postby rogdochar » Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:40 pm

Bravo ! Such a hybrid might plug all holes, so opponents would have
too little to scheme advantage of..?

Remember, Boise State had a "wildish" offensive scheme .. similar
to what Manziel and aTm's HC uses. Go Gators.
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Re: Muschamp building hybrid of Bama, Boise State, and Stanford

Postby law98gator » Thu Apr 18, 2013 5:49 pm

Rog, I haven't seen a scrap of Boise's offense in our "scheme" other than a few formations... or Stanford's prolific passing game... or even Bama's opportunistic passing game.

The article pushes pretty hard to see something which isn't really there. Hiring two BSU coaches does not make one Peterson. In fact, Muschamp is almost diametrically opposed to Peterson's concepts (at least his offensive ones and Peterson is an offensive guy).

Hiring good young coaches and encouraging to perform so they can seek a better job is hardly a new concept. We'll see how long he can do it. The proof is in the pudding as they say. Many coaches have that idea, but most can't fire the under-achieving assistant or even assess when some assistants aren't capable of doing the job.

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Re: Muschamp building hybrid of Bama, Boise State, and Stanford

Postby rogdochar » Thu Apr 18, 2013 6:04 pm

"Law's" thinking is reality, while the gist of the thread and that article
is flighty -- lofty hang-gliding on the hypothetical.

There has not been even launch-steps towards that elevated offense
of Boise State's flight-plan. This is the third year, so definitely it is
"high-time" for a take-off in passing. Let's wait to see and let's hold
accountable, same as other HCs/OCs with programs after 3 years.
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Re: Muschamp building hybrid of Bama, Boise State, and Stanford

Postby MatthewM. » Thu Apr 18, 2013 7:47 pm

But Bama and Boise can beat Georgia...
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Re: Muschamp building hybrid of Bama, Boise State, and Stanford

Postby rogdochar » Thu Apr 18, 2013 8:36 pm

Under SOS UF went 11-1 versus UGa. Also SOS's defenses were often
top-10.

To justify the offense expectation here at UF:

For 12 years the UF Offense won national praise....(under Spurrier).
UF typically scored well over 65 TDs/year. = about 5.4 TDs/game.
Opponents, including UGa (scored 52 between the Hedges), had to
face overcoming at least 37 points every time they faced the Gators.

We can settle for less offense, but why not eventually expect high
ranking offenses (say in 4 years,since SOS did it year one) ? If 4-6
coaches nationally are going to produce this, why shouldn't an HC
like that be employed by UF ? Muschamp should be one of those.
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Re: Muschamp building hybrid of Bama, Boise State, and Stanford

Postby Slevin » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:08 pm

law98gator wrote:Rog, I haven't seen a scrap of Boise's offense in our "scheme" other than a few formations... or Stanford's prolific passing game... or even Bama's opportunistic passing game.

The article pushes pretty hard to see something which isn't really there. Hiring two BSU coaches does not make one Peterson. In fact, Muschamp is almost diametrically opposed to Peterson's concepts (at least his offensive ones and Peterson is an offensive guy).

Hiring good young coaches and encouraging to perform so they can seek a better job is hardly a new concept. We'll see how long he can do it. The proof is in the pudding as they say. Many coaches have that idea, but most can't fire the under-achieving assistant or even assess when some assistants aren't capable of doing the job.

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Re: Muschamp building hybrid of Bama, Boise State, and Stanford

Postby Okeechobee Joe » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:12 pm

I like Steve Spurrier and I know he was a great coach for the Gators, but why do we keep going back to Spurrier? Hell, Alabama has gotten over the Bear so isn't it time the Gators got over Spurrier?

Will Mushchamp has to be true to himself and build this team and this program in his image. I am not sure about all of this hybrid stuff. I think Muschamp is just trying to get the best people he can in here and get people that he can be on the same page with and he can get along with and have the same passion about the game that he does.

People keep on waiting for the return of Spurrier. I know there are plenty of you out there who would trade Muschamp right now for Steve Spurrier and would do it even knowing Steve is 67 years old. I am not one of those who would want Spurrier to come back. I'll stick with Muschamp. He's our coach now.

A lot of people keep hoping that we are going to open up the offense. They think that Will Muschamp is going to go to sleep one night and be visited by the ghost of Steve Spurrier, and Muschamp is going to wake up the next morning and install the fun-n-gun offense. People thought this when we hired Weiss. People thought this when we hired Peterson. It was like we were going to run the Boise State offense.

Muschamp says he will run the ball 25 straight times to run out the clock if that's what it takes to win a game. I haven't heard or seen anything that would indicate that Muschamp is going to drastically change his philosophy of football. His style is the 1980s SEC smashmouth football. Remember, he played for Georgia, the Georgia before Spurrier took over in Gainesville.

I see Muschamp being a hybrid of Charley Pell, Vince Dooley, and Nick Saban.
Muschamp was school kid living in Gainesville when Pell coached here. Muschamp was a player at Georgia under Ray Golf and Golf played for Dooley. And Muschamp coached under Saban at LSU and with the Miami Dolphins. He is rooted in the run it down their throat SEC football, play good defense, capitalize on turnovers, dominate field position, don't make mistakes, kicking game and all that jazz.

We won with Spurrier big time. We can win with Muschamp. But some Gators are just not going to like it as good as they did with Spurrier.
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Re: Muschamp building hybrid of Bama, Boise State, and Stanford

Postby Slevin » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:16 pm

I mean, we all knew, all said it, all acknowledged the fact there was a huge nosedive in talent on the offensive side of the ball in the '10 and '11 seasons. We all knew it was going to be a climb out of that proverbial hole of suckage. For anyone to honestly think that we were suppose to be The New England Patriots last year is on crack. The coaches saw exactly what we had, or the lack thereof, and did the best they possibly could. They lost out on a few recruits and they learned their lessons on it this year around.

You'd have to be a complete jackass to not see the coaching staff learning and adapting quickly to the game. They are laying a foundation and they are doing it smartly. Getting rid of Verducci, Weis, and Marotti after year one shows Champ aint fuggin around. He's got his sites set and he's working hard to get us there. So law, to honestly sit around and b*** and moan as much as you do, you should at least sit back and see the larger picture.
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Re: Muschamp building hybrid of Bama, Boise State, and Stanford

Postby Swamp Queen » Thu Apr 18, 2013 9:38 pm

Slevin wrote:I mean, we all knew, all said it, all acknowledged the fact there was a huge nosedive in talent on the offensive side of the ball in the '10 and '11 seasons. We all knew it was going to be a climb out of that proverbial hole of suckage. For anyone to honestly think that we were suppose to be The New England Patriots last year is on crack. The coaches saw exactly what we had, or the lack thereof, and did the best they possibly could. They lost out on a few recruits and they learned their lessons on it this year around.

You'd have to be a complete jackass to not see the coaching staff learning and adapting quickly to the game. They are laying a foundation and they are doing it smartly. Getting rid of Verducci, Weis, and Marotti after year one shows Champ aint fuggin around. He's got his sites set and he's working hard to get us there. So law, to honestly sit around and b*** and moan as much as you do, you should at least sit back and see the larger picture.


Amen. The hipster has a point.
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Re: Muschamp building hybrid of Bama, Boise State, and Stanford

Postby MJMGator » Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:09 pm

Okeechobee Joe wrote:I like Steve Spurrier and I know he was a great coach for the Gators, but why do we keep going back to Spurrier? Hell, Alabama has gotten over the Bear so isn't it time the Gators got over Spurrier?

Will Mushchamp has to be true to himself and build this team and this program in his image. I am not sure about all of this hybrid stuff. I think Muschamp is just trying to get the best people he can in here and get people that he can be on the same page with and he can get along with and have the same passion about the game that he does.

People keep on waiting for the return of Spurrier. I know there are plenty of you out there who would trade Muschamp right now for Steve Spurrier and would do it even knowing Steve is 67 years old. I am not one of those who would want Spurrier to come back. I'll stick with Muschamp. He's our coach now.

A lot of people keep hoping that we are going to open up the offense. They think that Will Muschamp is going to go to sleep one night and be visited by the ghost of Steve Spurrier, and Muschamp is going to wake up the next morning and install the fun-n-gun offense. People thought this when we hired Weiss. People thought this when we hired Peterson. It was like we were going to run the Boise State offense.

Muschamp says he will run the ball 25 straight times to run out the clock if that's what it takes to win a game. I haven't heard or seen anything that would indicate that Muschamp is going to drastically change his philosophy of football. His style is the 1980s SEC smashmouth football. Remember, he played for Georgia, the Georgia before Spurrier took over in Gainesville.

I see Muschamp being a hybrid of Charley Pell, Vince Dooley, and Nick Saban.
Muschamp was school kid living in Gainesville when Pell coached here. Muschamp was a player under Dooley and Georgia. And Muschamp coached under Saban at LSU and with the Miami Dolphins. He is rooted in the run it down their throat SEC football, play good defense, capitalize on turnovers, dominate field position, don't make mistakes, kicking game and all that jazz.

We won with Spurrier big time. We can win with Muschamp. But some Gators are just not going to like it as good as they did with Spurrier.

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Re: Muschamp building hybrid of Bama, Boise State, and Stanford

Postby Sasquatch Gator » Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:16 pm

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Slevin wrote:I mean, we all knew, all said it, all acknowledged the fact there was a huge nosedive in talent on the offensive side of the ball in the '10 and '11 seasons. We all knew it was going to be a climb out of that proverbial hole of suckage. For anyone to honestly think that we were suppose to be The New England Patriots last year is on crack. The coaches saw exactly what we had, or the lack thereof, and did the best they possibly could. They lost out on a few recruits and they learned their lessons on it this year around.

You'd have to be a complete jackass to not see the coaching staff learning and adapting quickly to the game. They are laying a foundation and they are doing it smartly. Getting rid of Verducci, Weis, and Marotti after year one shows Champ aint fuggin around. He's got his sites set and he's working hard to get us there. So law, to honestly sit around and b*** and moan as much as you do, you should at least sit back and see the larger picture.


Amen. The hipster has a point.

Walking into that wall knocked some sense into him.
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Re: Muschamp building hybrid of Bama, Boise State, and Stanford

Postby Swamp Queen » Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:38 pm

Sasquatch Gator wrote:
Swamp Queen wrote:
Slevin wrote:I mean, we all knew, all said it, all acknowledged the fact there was a huge nosedive in talent on the offensive side of the ball in the '10 and '11 seasons. We all knew it was going to be a climb out of that proverbial hole of suckage. For anyone to honestly think that we were suppose to be The New England Patriots last year is on crack. The coaches saw exactly what we had, or the lack thereof, and did the best they possibly could. They lost out on a few recruits and they learned their lessons on it this year around.

You'd have to be a complete jackass to not see the coaching staff learning and adapting quickly to the game. They are laying a foundation and they are doing it smartly. Getting rid of Verducci, Weis, and Marotti after year one shows Champ aint fuggin around. He's got his sites set and he's working hard to get us there. So law, to honestly sit around and b*** and moan as much as you do, you should at least sit back and see the larger picture.


Amen. The hipster has a point.

Walking into that wall knocked some sense into him.

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Re: Muschamp building hybrid of Bama, Boise State, and Stanford

Postby Slevin » Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:43 pm

Sasquatch Gator wrote:
Swamp Queen wrote:
Slevin wrote:I mean, we all knew, all said it, all acknowledged the fact there was a huge nosedive in talent on the offensive side of the ball in the '10 and '11 seasons. We all knew it was going to be a climb out of that proverbial hole of suckage. For anyone to honestly think that we were suppose to be The New England Patriots last year is on crack. The coaches saw exactly what we had, or the lack thereof, and did the best they possibly could. They lost out on a few recruits and they learned their lessons on it this year around.

You'd have to be a complete jackass to not see the coaching staff learning and adapting quickly to the game. They are laying a foundation and they are doing it smartly. Getting rid of Verducci, Weis, and Marotti after year one shows Champ aint fuggin around. He's got his sites set and he's working hard to get us there. So law, to honestly sit around and b*** and moan as much as you do, you should at least sit back and see the larger picture.


Amen. The hipster has a point.

Walking into that wall knocked some sense into him.


:lol: :lol: Dude my head still hurts. Friggin hippies and their stupid art school walls.
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Re: Muschamp building hybrid of Bama, Boise State, and Stanford

Postby Okeechobee Joe » Thu Apr 18, 2013 10:57 pm

MJMGator wrote:
Okeechobee Joe wrote:I like Steve Spurrier and I know he was a great coach for the Gators, but why do we keep going back to Spurrier? Hell, Alabama has gotten over the Bear so isn't it time the Gators got over Spurrier?

Will Mushchamp has to be true to himself and build this team and this program in his image. I am not sure about all of this hybrid stuff. I think Muschamp is just trying to get the best people he can in here and get people that he can be on the same page with and he can get along with and have the same passion about the game that he does.

People keep on waiting for the return of Spurrier. I know there are plenty of you out there who would trade Muschamp right now for Steve Spurrier and would do it even knowing Steve is 67 years old. I am not one of those who would want Spurrier to come back. I'll stick with Muschamp. He's our coach now.

A lot of people keep hoping that we are going to open up the offense. They think that Will Muschamp is going to go to sleep one night and be visited by the ghost of Steve Spurrier, and Muschamp is going to wake up the next morning and install the fun-n-gun offense. People thought this when we hired Weiss. People thought this when we hired Peterson. It was like we were going to run the Boise State offense.

Muschamp says he will run the ball 25 straight times to run out the clock if that's what it takes to win a game. I haven't heard or seen anything that would indicate that Muschamp is going to drastically change his philosophy of football. His style is the 1980s SEC smashmouth football. Remember, he played for Georgia, the Georgia before Spurrier took over in Gainesville.

I see Muschamp being a hybrid of Charley Pell, Vince Dooley, and Nick Saban.
Muschamp was school kid living in Gainesville when Pell coached here. Muschamp was a player under Dooley and Georgia. And Muschamp coached under Saban at LSU and with the Miami Dolphins. He is rooted in the run it down their throat SEC football, play good defense, capitalize on turnovers, dominate field position, don't make mistakes, kicking game and all that jazz.

We won with Spurrier big time. We can win with Muschamp. But some Gators are just not going to like it as good as they did with Spurrier.

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I made a glaring mistake in this post when I said that Muschamp played for Vince Dooley at Georgia. Muschamp's coach at Georgia was Ray Golf. But Golf played for Dooley, and Dooley's influence at Georgia was deep at the time Muschamp was at Georgia. Thus Muschamp had to be influenced, at least to some extent, by Vince Dooley's philosophy of football.
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Re: Muschamp building hybrid of Bama, Boise State, and Stanford

Postby gator1946 » Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:30 pm

Dooley's influence at Georgia was deep at the time Muschamp was at Georgia


You have just caused me to re-evaluate my support of Muschamp. :happyevil:
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Re: Muschamp building hybrid of Bama, Boise State, and Stanford

Postby law98gator » Fri Apr 19, 2013 12:05 am

Slevin wrote: Getting rid of Verducci, Weis, and Marotti after year one shows Champ aint fuggin around.

That a good point.
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