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Painting by Numbers - NCAA Basketball

Postby guardian » Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:02 am

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Re: Painting by Numbers - NCAA Basketball

Postby NVGator » Sat Feb 02, 2013 3:23 am

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Re: Painting by Numbers - NCAA Basketball

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Re: Painting by Numbers - NCAA Basketball

Postby guardian » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:17 am

NVGator wrote:

Dig the new duds, G, but why all the math????...... :lol: :lol:

Great break down! Thx. :cool:


My head still aches!! Thanks for dropping by, NV.
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Re: Painting by Numbers - NCAA Basketball

Postby Swamp82 » Sat Feb 02, 2013 12:50 pm

Yes ouch to much reading
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Re: Painting by Numbers - NCAA Basketball

Postby guardian » Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:08 pm

Swamp82 wrote:Yes ouch to much reading


I know - all those paragraphs about the Gators - mind numbing! :rolleyes:
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Re: Painting by Numbers - NCAA Basketball

Postby rogdochar » Sat Feb 02, 2013 5:09 pm

Grate math. Loved the addends, subtrahends, multiplicands ...
buttmostly the dividends. Maybe we can 'derive' success from this.

That .42 differential expresses how frequently we score per
possession vs how frequently per possession we allow opponents
to score ... well that works out to us scoring on our every possession
(.90) while our opponents have to have 3 possessions (.30) before
they score.

These experts' "yardstick" comment that "Florida is unbelievable"
stems from their years of tabulating this stat-ratio, where the
highest over the years have been in the .25 range. This year Duke
is second to UF with a .20 ratio.

This ratio is more meaningful than raw points/game (offense)
because it accounts for a team's defensive skills to subtract/detract
from the opposing offense.
These Gators are unbelievable, mostly via defense.
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Re: Painting by Numbers - NCAA Basketball

Postby guardian » Sat Feb 02, 2013 5:41 pm

rogdochar wrote:Grate math. Loved the addends, subtrahends, multiplicands ...
buttmostly the dividends. Maybe we can 'derive' success from this.

That .42 differential expresses how frequently we score per
possession vs how frequently per possession we allow opponents
to score ... well that works out to us scoring on our every possession
(.90) while our opponents have to have 3 possessions (.30) before
they score.

These experts' "yardstick" comment that "Florida is unbelievable"
stems from their years of tabulating this stat-ratio, where the
highest over the years have been in the .25 range. This year Duke
is second to UF with a .20 ratio.

This ratio is more meaningful than raw points/game (offense)
because it accounts for a team's defensive skills to subtract/detract
from the opposing offense.
These Gators are unbelievable, mostly via defense.


On the scoring end, it means we'll score two points every 2 possessions, which does equal 1 point per possession, so you get it. This is far more meaningful than raw data, rpi, whatever. Add in that Kentucky last year was at .26, and it gets scary.

How good are these guys?? Defense will determine that. Thanks for adding your insights.
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Re: Painting by Numbers - NCAA Basketball

Postby rogdochar » Sat Feb 02, 2013 6:38 pm

"Guardian", if it means we score 2 point per 2 possessions, then
it means against our defense opponents need 6 possessions to score
2 points + 1 pt/ 3 possessions ? If so that's got more fantabuluster. :question:
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Re: Painting by Numbers - NCAA Basketball

Postby guardian » Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:25 pm

rogdochar wrote:"Guardian", if it means we score 2 point per 2 possessions, then
it means against our defense opponents need 6 possessions to score
2 points + 1 pt/ 3 possessions ? If so that's got more fantabuluster. :question:


Yep.

In essence, we score 1/2 point more per possession than anyone else in the country. That's more fantabuluster than Kentucky last year (.26) or any other team in the last 6 years. The second best teams score 1/4 more points.

And yeah, the defense is leading the way. Not that we are a bunch of slugs on offense.
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Re: Painting by Numbers - NCAA Basketball

Postby BostonGator84 » Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:30 pm

BYU? Second in the country in PPP differential?

Yay for my alma mater. Surprising though, seeing as they aren't very good and won't make the tourney.
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Re: Painting by Numbers - NCAA Basketball

Postby rogdochar » Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:30 pm

Cool guidance "guardian". Wow, it's really good to see defense
quantified and the players of it given a stat that praises in exactitude
instead of the obvious dribble on performance... and all that is with
the Rowdy Reptiles on the wrong side of the court. :?
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Re: Painting by Numbers - NCAA Basketball

Postby Class of '78 » Sat Feb 02, 2013 7:57 pm

I did one quick read of Guardian's link but now the content has been removed.

I found the information to be revealing in how efficient this Florida team has been. But there's more beyond even that. Whereas UF ranks second nationally in scoring defense, at 50.4 ppg, which accounts for most of our huge points differential, the Gators are a paltry 120th when it comes to rebounds per game.

Why, you may ask.

I'm not sure why so low, but one theory is that our pressure defense often leads to turnovers and thus no shot attempts by the opponent. That, in turn, would contribute to the margin conveyed in Guardian's report.

Anyway you slice it, this is an amazingly dominant and efficient Florida basketball team that's winning by an average margin of 23.40 points compared to No. 1 Michigan's 19.40. Take from it what you will.

It's nothing but numbers at this point, but you gotta like what you see.
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Re: Painting by Numbers - NCAA Basketball

Postby guardian » Sat Feb 02, 2013 8:00 pm

BostonGator84 wrote:BYU? Second in the country in PPP differential?

Yay for my alma mater. Surprising though, seeing as they aren't very good and won't make the tourney.


Keep in mind that these stats only compare teams to other teams in their conference. And they are fluid. In other words, don't bet the farm on them.

With a good OOC schedule, and after a few more games, fans will be able to figure out who is who and what is what. This is just a snap shot of what has happened so far. So far, I like the picture...
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Re: Painting by Numbers - NCAA Basketball

Postby 8802gator » Sat Feb 02, 2013 8:00 pm

Great read guardian. Thanks.
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Re: Painting by Numbers - NCAA Basketball

Postby guardian » Sat Feb 02, 2013 8:10 pm

Class of '78 wrote:I did one quick read of Guardian's link but now the content has been removed.

I found the information to be revealing in how efficient this Florida team has been. But there's more beyond even that. Whereas UF ranks second nationally in scoring defense, at 50.4 ppg, which accounts for most of our huge points differential, the Gators are a paltry 120th when it comes to rebounds per game.

Why, you may ask.

I'm not sure why so low, but one theory is that our pressure defense often leads to turnovers and thus no shot attempts by the opponent. That, in turn, would contribute to the margin conveyed in Guardian's report.

Anyway you slice it, this is an amazingly dominant and efficient Florida basketball team that's winning by an average margin of 23.40 points compared to No. 1 Michigan's 19.40. Take from it what you will.

It's nothing but numbers at this point, but you gotta like what you see.


Link is repaired, and it was my fault in editing. Sorry.

We are low in rebounding because, as you allude to, there aren't many, but I have to wonder why Yeguette is our leading rebounder. I would have to call Patric out on that one. We still out rebound our opponents, which is the more important object.
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Re: Painting by Numbers - NCAA Basketball

Postby guardian » Sat Feb 02, 2013 8:12 pm

8802gator wrote:Great read guardian. Thanks.


Thank you.
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Re: Painting by Numbers - NCAA Basketball

Postby guardian » Sat Feb 02, 2013 8:26 pm

rogdochar wrote:Cool guidance "guardian". Wow, it's really good to see defense
quantified and the players of it given a stat that praises in exactitude
instead of the obvious dribble on performance... and all that is with
the Rowdy Reptiles on the wrong side of the court. :?


Good idea putting those knuckle heads on the other side of the court. They are the real fans.

Good idea, also, of giving away those "Yeguette Heads" and giving students another 1000 seats the other night.

Cool stuff, right there.

And stop calling me "gaurdian." G is much easier to type.
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Re: Painting by Numbers - NCAA Basketball

Postby 8802gator » Sun Feb 03, 2013 1:44 am

guardian wrote:
Class of '78 wrote:I did one quick read of Guardian's link but now the content has been removed.

I found the information to be revealing in how efficient this Florida team has been. But there's more beyond even that. Whereas UF ranks second nationally in scoring defense, at 50.4 ppg, which accounts for most of our huge points differential, the Gators are a paltry 120th when it comes to rebounds per game.

Why, you may ask.

I'm not sure why so low, but one theory is that our pressure defense often leads to turnovers and thus no shot attempts by the opponent. That, in turn, would contribute to the margin conveyed in Guardian's report.

Anyway you slice it, this is an amazingly dominant and efficient Florida basketball team that's winning by an average margin of 23.40 points compared to No. 1 Michigan's 19.40. Take from it what you will.

It's nothing but numbers at this point, but you gotta like what you see.


Link is repaired, and it was my fault in editing. Sorry.

We are low in rebounding because, as you allude to, there aren't many, but I have to wonder why Yeguette is our leading rebounder. I would have to call Patric out on that one. We still out rebound our opponents, which is the more important object.

I give Pat a pass on the rebounds. What he is asked to do on defense a lot of the times takes him away from the basket, and towards the perimeter. He moves so quickly that Donvan has him come out and hedge screens and pick up the roller on pick and rolls. Usually when there is a rebound to be had in his area he gets it.
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Re: Painting by Numbers - NCAA Basketball

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