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Should the Gators have opened the 2nd half with an onsides

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Should the Gators have opened the 2nd half with an onsides kick?

1. No. Its is a panic move only down by 14. It also gives them a short field and the D wasn't stopping them as it was.
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2. Yes. It was already desperation time midway through the 2nd quarter, so this is actually late. We had to throw a kitchen sink. Throw the empty gun at them already! Clearly our offense was never going to go the length of the field again.
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Should the Gators have opened the 2nd half with an onsides

Postby Gatorious » Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:28 pm

Should the Gators have opened the 2nd half with an onsides kick?
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Re: Should the Gators have opened the 2nd half with an onsides

Postby Homer J » Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:30 pm

According to Champ, it was preplanned because of something they saw on film.
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Re: Should the Gators have opened the 2nd half with an onsides

Postby Swamp Queen » Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:31 pm

Maybe.
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Re: Should the Gators have opened the 2nd half with an onsides

Postby fkzdiceman » Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:39 pm

Dumb call that was telegraphed like a Driskel sideline pass. I kid, I kid, but it was a terrible call. Didn't the announcers even say something about an onside kick right before the 1st half ended.
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Re: Should the Gators have opened the 2nd half with an onsides

Postby Gatorious » Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:40 pm

Actually I was rather suprised this topic was not posted. If it was an OP, my apologies, but I saw none.

But the game’s deciding moment might have come at the start of the second half when Florida, trailing by 14, decided to try an onside kick.

“We wanted to steal a possession at the start of the second half,” Muschamp said in explaining the decision. “We had struggled defensively in the first half and felt like you try to gain some momentum in the game.”

The gamble failed miserably.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/01/03/3 ... rylink=cpy


So, if it was 'pre-planned', is that better or worse? I mean, the real world game situation says DO NOT DO IT. Your QB is not performing your D is out to lunch. Do not chance giving them the short field. Whatever they 'saw' in planning obviously was not the case. So then the only sensible reason to go ahead and do it would be option 2 in the poll above.
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Re: Should the Gators have opened the 2nd half with an onsides

Postby OllieGator » Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:44 pm

No. Just screamed desperation. Nice touch to an already horrible embarrassing game.
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Re: Should the Gators have opened the 2nd half with an onsides

Postby usmcmfs » Thu Jan 03, 2013 8:48 pm

I probably wouldn't have done it but really don't have that big of a problem with it.

Now the two idiotic personal fouls.....thats something else.
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Re: Should the Gators have opened the 2nd half with an onsides

Postby Gatorious » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:00 pm

Tally update-

In a landslide...a shut-out...so far it is a 'no'.
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Re: Should the Gators have opened the 2nd half with an onsides

Postby Swamp Queen » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:01 pm

Gatorious wrote:Tally update-

In a landslide...a shut-out...so far it is a 'no'.

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Re: Should the Gators have opened the 2nd half with an onsides

Postby rogdochar » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:11 pm

The only on-side kick decision I've ever seen that wasn't a
desperate beg and qualifies for a plan was by Boise State.
Just before the end of first half, Boise ahead 32-7. B.S.Coach
noticed that the receiving team's front increasingly ran back
about 7-10 yards to create some conglomerate "wedge" for
their k-o receiver. So,leading 32-7 Boise did on-sides kick and
recovered with none of the receiving team in the picture. Most
laughably enjoyable such kick I ever witnessed. lead to another TD.
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Re: Should the Gators have opened the 2nd half with an onsides

Postby Class of '78 » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:18 pm

If it was successful, yes.
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Re: Should the Gators have opened the 2nd half with an onsides

Postby Okeechobee Joe » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:18 pm

I would not have called the onsides kick. It was a mistake.

But that being said, if the thing had worked, if we recovered the football, we took a possession away from Louisville, gained momentum, and went on to win the game, then everybody would be saying it was a brilliant call, a stroke of genius, and Muschamp would be the king today and not the goat.

That's a lot of "ifs".
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Re: Should the Gators have opened the 2nd half with an onsides

Postby Gouryella » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:23 pm

It reminded of when Tressel went for it on 4th down so early in the MNC game vs us. It was a desperate move and a poor call regardless of hindsight.
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Re: Should the Gators have opened the 2nd half with an onsides

Postby Class of '78 » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:26 pm

So let me to see if I got this straight. Muschamp is a ****** for failing to take enough chances on offense, but when he takes chances on special teams he's, well, he's a ****** there, too.

Okay, fine.
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Re: Should the Gators have opened the 2nd half with an onsides

Postby Swamp Queen » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:27 pm

Class of '78 wrote:So let me to see if I got this straight. Muschamp is a ****** for failing to take enough chances on offense, but when he takes chances on special teams he's, well, he's a ****** there, too.

Okay, fine.


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Re: Should the Gators have opened the 2nd half with an onsides

Postby Gatorious » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:33 pm

Gouryella wrote:It reminded of when Tressel went for it on 4th down so early in the MNC game vs us. It was a desperate move and a poor call regardless of hindsight.



Thats an excellent comparison. Yes it does.

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2. We have no 15 yd. ball.
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4. We do onside kicks because we are impotent as an offense this entire year. Saban was stupid for doing it. Muschamp is stupid for doing it. We cannot stop them so, lets give UL the short field too.

Only the saints pulled off an onside kick to start the SB 2nd half, and they had Drew Brees. Driskell is no Drew Brees.





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Yes, okay, thats legitimate in my mind, and I'd put that in option 2. He took a last ditch shot. It was the most viable path to victory that was left. Quite an indictment.
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Re: Should the Gators have opened the 2nd half with an onsides

Postby Gouryella » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:43 pm

Class of '78 wrote:So let me to see if I got this straight. Muschamp is a ****** for failing to take enough chances on offense, but when he takes chances on special teams he's, well, he's a ****** there, too.

Okay, fine.


I will probably regret this but taking a chance on offense..are you talking about a forward pass or a punt fake on your own 20?

The onsides kick had a low risk/reward. You weren't going to win if your defense wasn't going to hold in the 2nd half, agreed? That being said...kick it...pin em deep and get good field position.

The more I discuss this with fellow Gator the more I see that Strong pwned Muschamp in every phase. Say what you will, but Strong just flat out destroyed Muschamp. Picked him up at the bus stop and dropped him off at school.
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Re: Should the Gators have opened the 2nd half with an onsides

Postby Okeechobee Joe » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:51 pm

We pay Will Muschamp a lot of money to coach our football team so we all have a right to criticize him. And he knows that. The buck has to stop with him.

Any football coach, any CEO of a big corporation, any politician in the public eye is going to have a lot of people for him and a lot of people against him at different points in time and in reaction to different decisions. Fair enough. The so-called "big shots" took the lead because they wanted to.

I am a Muschamp supporter because I like Muschamp, I like his football philosophy, I like his background. Others from different perspectives are not going to like him as much as I do, so he is going to have to work harder to gain their support. I hope Muschamp succeeds here. It ain't going to be easy all the time.
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Re: Should the Gators have opened the 2nd half with an onsides

Postby #1GATOR FAN » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:52 pm

All the play was is a "Genius call, or dumb one" if you don't get it..

But of course it was us so we didn't get it and made us look even more scared. We couldn't stop them but once all night anyway though so it didn't really make a difference.
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Re: Should the Gators have opened the 2nd half with an onsides

Postby soflagator » Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:35 am

Terrible call. Reeked of desperation at a time when we should've been instilling confidence and killed any momentum we had gained. If we wanted to gain an advantage, we should've tried coaching and preparation in the weeks that led up to the game.
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