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Fluff & Froth from Nevada v Arizona Bowl Game

Postby rogdochar » Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:28 pm

Late me, turned on TV as 2nd half began. Score already was 32-28
Nevada. Announcer keeps repeating: "For the DCs this game is a
nightmare.

Now 2 minutes left it's Nevada 45.... Arizona 35....? so the DCs did
adjust at halftime.?

FSU/NFL QB Danny Kannel is Nevada's coach.

One announcer (never got name) was an NFL QB..? ( played or not?).
This 'anonsir' pontificated : "A hybrid of this "Spread-Option" is already
'aloose' in use in the NFL = San Francisco & Washington Redskins where
they've got QBs that can run. Other "have-nots NFL teams will follow
suit, once they get their "dual" QBs upcoming from the college ranks.
.... can you imagine that Ravens defense with a versitile QB."

Well, that sounds ideal for some QB who sets a college record of
20+ TDs rushing and 20+ TDs passing. Of course, as a Pro he cannot
be overtly pro-morals, pro-religion .

I watched the offensive "flows" & blows of this game. What I saw
were schemes unfold (per announcer) where schemes of overt
misdirection gave OL blockers the advantaged angle to deliver
fool-proof blocks. There often were 3-4 choices up to the QB :
#1- QB keeper,#2 hand-off to RB, #3 screen to "flanker"/RB,
#4 fake screen & #5 throw deep to WR. I watch these executions
baffle the defenses, at least for the first half to a 32-28 score.
Second half adjusts brought a 16-21 'normalish' score.

Now I know purists are 'gonna' say, "That only works in leagues that
have no defenses. Well wait : aren't those DCs pushing as hard as
any to get noticed by bigger schools ? Aren't those on-the-field
defensive players trying to fully show their worth ?... all doing
their very best not to show up, not to be shown up ?

I remember from that 1st half of our aTm game where the Aggies
executed so many offensive plays that were so 'proned' for a turnover,
but Johnny football just barely made it work -- vs our great defense.

So, what say you ? Will spread-option type schemes increase in the
future NFL ? And does that raise the odds that Tebow's value/use
increases in that future? IDK, some small school QBs are starting &
doing well in the NFL this year ... and they have college-trained in
such "wild-open" offenses.

Soooo --who cares to chime in ? In the 49ers & Redskins, are we
witnessing the sprouting of the NFL spread option ?
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Re: Fluff & Froth from Nevada v Arizona Bowl Game

Postby TommyGator » Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:35 pm

Even if so, we are also watching those teams play DEEFENSE>

I watched most of the Nevada-Arizona game (...only because I am chained to the couch with the flu....) and the offensive production had more to do with crappy D than with great O.
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Re: Fluff & Froth from Nevada v Arizona Bowl Game

Postby MJMGator » Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:37 pm

Great comeback by Arizona. The last 2 minutes were fun to watch.
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Re: Fluff & Froth from Nevada v Arizona Bowl Game

Postby rogdochar » Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:10 pm

"TommyGator" I saw the offenses offering up more possibilities than
a defense could cover. Thus, the D-players made the wrong choice &
the sharp QB (with inside info) on the bite would exploit it = big gain.

Could it not be that when these "work-well" offenses meet an SEC
team or any big-big school team, it is not a matter of schemes failing
so much as a head to head size/strength advantage. Such as that
allows the big opponent to bust up their blocking needed to properly
execute their multi-moves offenses ?

When Meyer's spread worked, UF won with some highly lopsided
scores... even "smurfs" had big yardage games. Of course, now big
backs are showing up with great speed so "smurfs" are unneeded or
deficits. Aren't the offenses of RGIII & Kapernick a % imitative
somewhat of their varied-stabs college offenses ?
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Re: Fluff & Froth from Nevada v Arizona Bowl Game

Postby Dugaboy » Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:32 pm

The "color man" in the New Mexico Bowl was former FSU wizz Danny Kannel; the gist I got from the banter with the other short guy announcer was - maybe the run-throw option qback is coming to the NFL. They talked about everybody in the world that runs it EXCEPT TEBOW!

Jeez! Could it be that Rex Ryan is a wizard after all and will showcase the "new" Jets offense with TEBOW?
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Re: Fluff & Froth from Nevada v Arizona Bowl Game

Postby NVGator » Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:10 pm

^yes, Danny Kannel was the announcer.

As for the game... Fvcking Coach Ault calls a horrible game in the late quarters. I hate prevent D. This should have been a win for UNR.

What a joke.




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Re: Fluff & Froth from Nevada v Arizona Bowl Game

Postby gardnerwebbalumnigator » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:23 pm

Watching Arizona players fight each other then win was interesting.
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Re: Fluff & Froth from Nevada v Arizona Bowl Game

Postby TommyGator » Sat Dec 15, 2012 11:42 pm

rogdochar wrote:"TommyGator" I saw the offenses offering up more possibilities than
a defense could cover. Thus, the D-players made the wrong choice &
the sharp QB (with inside info) on the bite would exploit it = big gain.

Could it not be that when these "work-well" offenses meet an SEC
team or any big-big school team, it is not a matter of schemes failing
so much as a head to head size/strength advantage. Such as that
allows the big opponent to bust up their blocking needed to properly
execute their multi-moves offenses ?

When Meyer's spread worked, UF won with some highly lopsided
scores... even "smurfs" had big yardage games. Of course, now big
backs are showing up with great speed so "smurfs" are unneeded or
deficits. Aren't the offenses of RGIII & Kapernick a % imitative
somewhat of their varied-stabs college offenses ?


Could be. BUT this is the same type games that happen every week in the PAC and the MAC and even the ACC. It's hard to judge the effectiveness of a particular offensive style when ALL the defenses are so porous. IMO there are so many offensive options BECAUSE of poor D.
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