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Postby Panhandle Gator » Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:45 am

Intentional Grounding...

Can anyone tell me the penalty in the NCAA for a Quarterback Intentionally Grounding the ball as James Franklin did on Saturday and why it's a loophole?

(I already know but curious to hear answers)
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Re: NCAA Rules

Postby PastorBeef » Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:49 am

Gotta be outside the tackle box, and throw it past the line of scrimmage. Otherwise it's 10 yards and a loss of down. I'm not exactly sure what you're asking as far as a loophole.....
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Re: NCAA Rules

Postby PastorBeef » Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:50 am

Gotta be outside the tackle box, and throw it past the line of scrimmage. Otherwise it's 10 yards and a loss of down. I'm not exactly sure what you're asking as far as a loophole.....
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Re: NCAA Rules

Postby Panhandle Gator » Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:04 pm

PastorBeef wrote:Gotta be outside the tackle box, and throw it past the line of scrimmage. Otherwise it's 10 yards and a loss of down. I'm not exactly sure what you're asking as far as a loophole.....



The loophole as I understand is, there is no real penalty.

In both high school and the NFL, there is a yardage step off and loss of down. But, in the NCAA Intentional Grounding is a Spot Foul and loss of down, which is exactly the same as taking a sack.
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Re: NCAA Rules

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Re: NCAA Rules

Postby law98gator » Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:11 pm

Panhandle Gator wrote:Intentional Grounding...

Can anyone tell me the penalty in the NCAA for a Quarterback Intentionally Grounding the ball as James Franklin did on Saturday and why it's a loophole?


JD? Why are you on an internet board when you should be reviewing game film?

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Re: NCAA Rules

Postby Sasquatch Gator » Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:19 pm

Panhandle Gator wrote:
PastorBeef wrote:Gotta be outside the tackle box, and throw it past the line of scrimmage. Otherwise it's 10 yards and a loss of down. I'm not exactly sure what you're asking as far as a loophole.....



The loophole as I understand is, there is no real penalty.

In both high school and the NFL, there is a yardage step off and loss of down. But, in the NCAA Intentional Grounding is a Spot Foul and loss of down, which is exactly the same as taking a sack.

What he said. It's no different than if the QB had just taken the sack.
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Re: NCAA Rules

Postby Panhandle Gator » Tue Nov 06, 2012 12:19 pm

law98gator wrote:
Panhandle Gator wrote:Intentional Grounding...

Can anyone tell me the penalty in the NCAA for a Quarterback Intentionally Grounding the ball as James Franklin did on Saturday and why it's a loophole?


JD? Why are you on an internet board when you should be reviewing game film?

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Re: NCAA Rules

Postby law98gator » Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:25 pm

Not really. But if you ever score a TD, we'll see if you do that Tebowing thing.
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Re: NCAA Rules

Postby okapi216 » Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:45 pm

I guess one of the loop holes is if you have a running back or eligible TE blocking and you ground it at his feet, it will not be called intentional grounding even if it does not make it back to the line of scrimmage or if the QB is not outside of the tackle box.
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Re: NCAA Rules

Postby jand3k » Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:55 pm

And why is it OK to kill the clock by snapping the ball and then throwing it down at the heals of the center? The QB is still between the tackles, the ball does not go past the line of scrimmage, and there is no receiver in the area.

Yeah, I know it's allowed but it's the same damn thing; actually it is worse because in a real grounding scenario the QB is at least looking for an option before he throws it away.
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Re: NCAA Rules

Postby WobbleGator » Tue Nov 06, 2012 1:59 pm

jand3k wrote:And why is it OK to kill the clock by snapping the ball and then throwing it down at the heals of the center? The QB is still between the tackles, the ball does not go past the line of scrimmage, and there is no receiver in the area.

Yeah, I know it's allowed but it's the same damn thing; actually it is worse because in a real grounding scenario the QB is at least looking for an option before he throws it away.

Why is it ok for the place holder to have possession of the football with a knee on the ground?
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Re: NCAA Rules

Postby jand3k » Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:02 pm

Yeah, except that too is specifically allowed per the rules as is the clock killing throw. both are odd.
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Re: NCAA Rules

Postby IDGAC » Tue Nov 06, 2012 2:40 pm

Panhandle Gator wrote:
PastorBeef wrote:Gotta be outside the tackle box, and throw it past the line of scrimmage. Otherwise it's 10 yards and a loss of down. I'm not exactly sure what you're asking as far as a loophole.....



The loophole as I understand is, there is no real penalty.

In both high school and the NFL, there is a yardage step off and loss of down. But, in the NCAA Intentional Grounding is a Spot Foul and loss of down, which is exactly the same as taking a sack.


It's not a loophole as you're losing yardage. If the penalty isn't called, then you lose the down but keep the original spot. With intentional grounding, you're losing the down AND losing yards on the spot.

I think it's a fair penalty.
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Re: NCAA Rules

Postby LRTX1 » Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:49 pm

jand3k wrote:And why is it OK to kill the clock by snapping the ball and then throwing it down at the heals of the center? The QB is still between the tackles, the ball does not go past the line of scrimmage, and there is no receiver in the area.

Yeah, I know it's allowed but it's the same damn thing; actually it is worse because in a real grounding scenario the QB is at least looking for an option before he throws it away.


I havent read the rule but, I have always thought the difference was avoiding a tackler or not. Intentional grounding is throwing the ball away to avoid a tackler while inside the tackle box, not throwing past the los etc etc
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Re: NCAA Rules

Postby Panhandle Gator » Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:39 pm

IDGAC wrote:
Panhandle Gator wrote:
PastorBeef wrote:Gotta be outside the tackle box, and throw it past the line of scrimmage. Otherwise it's 10 yards and a loss of down. I'm not exactly sure what you're asking as far as a loophole.....



The loophole as I understand is, there is no real penalty.

In both high school and the NFL, there is a yardage step off and loss of down. But, in the NCAA Intentional Grounding is a Spot Foul and loss of down, which is exactly the same as taking a sack.


It's not a loophole as you're losing yardage. If the penalty isn't called, then you lose the down but keep the original spot. With intentional grounding, you're losing the down AND losing yards on the spot.

I think it's a fair penalty.



Yes, you would lose the down and the ball would be placed at the spot he threw the ball, which is the same as if the quarterback had taken the sacke.

So, there is no penalty and no reason for an NCAA quarterback not to throw it away EVERY time and make the ref throw the flag.
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Re: NCAA Rules

Postby IDGAC » Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:53 pm

Panhandle Gator wrote:
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Panhandle Gator wrote:
PastorBeef wrote:Gotta be outside the tackle box, and throw it past the line of scrimmage. Otherwise it's 10 yards and a loss of down. I'm not exactly sure what you're asking as far as a loophole.....



The loophole as I understand is, there is no real penalty.

In both high school and the NFL, there is a yardage step off and loss of down. But, in the NCAA Intentional Grounding is a Spot Foul and loss of down, which is exactly the same as taking a sack.


It's not a loophole as you're losing yardage. If the penalty isn't called, then you lose the down but keep the original spot. With intentional grounding, you're losing the down AND losing yards on the spot.

I think it's a fair penalty.



Yes, you would lose the down and the ball would be placed at the spot he threw the ball, which is the same as if the quarterback had taken the sacke.

So, there is no penalty and no reason for an NCAA quarterback not to throw it away EVERY time and make the ref throw the flag.


I agree with you that there is no reason for an NCAA qb NOT to throw it away every time because an intentional grounding call is subject to human error in judgment whereas a sack is not.

However, I wouldn't agree that there is NO penalty, because if the penalty were NOT called, you would get back the yards you would have otherwise lost.
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Re: NCAA Rules

Postby willgetin » Tue Nov 06, 2012 5:23 pm

The penalty IS the loss of yards to the spot of the foul. NO penalty would be original line of scrimmage...

I think its the right penalty, personally....
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Re: NCAA Rules

Postby law98gator » Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:05 pm

willgetin wrote:The penalty IS the loss of yards to the spot of the foul. NO penalty would be original line of scrimmage...

I think its the right penalty, personally....

So, worst case scenario, they call the penalty and give you spot foul which is where you'd be if you had taken the sack? Without the chance of a fumble or maybe injury?

That's not a penalty. That's a good bet.
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Re: NCAA Rules

Postby BSJGator » Tue Nov 06, 2012 9:22 pm

It's all the NCAA's fault for having too many rules with multiple loopholes for each one... :lol:
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